19-11-2009, 04:03 PM
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#11 | | Magazine Editor
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Originally Posted by David T-W Of course; it's free.  | Now that's my kind of price! Not that I'm cheap or anything...
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19-11-2009, 04:05 PM
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#12 | | Jedi Chat Master
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Originally Posted by David T-W
I don't know since when, but "huh" is most certainly in the dictionary.  | The words usage dates from around the same time as the first English dictionary (1600s), so its entirely plausible it has always been in the dictionary.
Egg on your face Dee. Egg on your face.
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19-11-2009, 04:18 PM
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#13 | | Disgruntled
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you are all mean and pedantic 
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19-11-2009, 04:45 PM
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#14 | | Bad Ass Mod!!
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Originally Posted by Slybacon The words usage dates from around the same time as the first English dictionary (1600s), so its entirely plausible it has always been in the dictionary.
Egg on your face Dee. Egg on your face. | Now if we're being pedantic!!!! |
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19-11-2009, 04:49 PM
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#15 | | Jedi Chat Master
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Originally Posted by Slybacon The words usage dates from around the same time as the first English dictionary (1600s), so its entirely plausible it has always been in the dictionary.
Egg on your face Dee. Egg on your face. | Did someone put bacon and egg in the same post? Hungry now...
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19-11-2009, 05:19 PM
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#16 | | Jedi Chat Master
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In all honesty, who cares whether its 'wrong.'
English is full of Idioms.
There's actually a school of thought to suggest that there's no such thing as 'wrong' spoken English.
There's no excuse for bad punctuation though. |
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19-11-2009, 05:39 PM
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#17 | | Jedi Chat Master
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Originally Posted by Gothika85 In all honesty, who cares whether its 'wrong.'
English is full of Idioms.
There's actually a school of thought to suggest that there's no such thing as 'wrong' spoken English.
There's no excuse for bad punctuation though.  | I care. As an editor myself, it's my job to care. "Less pictures" is wrong, whether spoken or written.
I make a point of not buying magazines that have a sloppy editing policy, because I think it shows a lack of respect to the reader.
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19-11-2009, 06:45 PM
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#18 | | Jedi Chat Master
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Originally Posted by David T-W I care. As an editor myself, it's my job to care. "Less pictures" is wrong, whether spoken or written.
I make a point of not buying magazines that have a sloppy editing policy, because I think it shows a lack of respect to the reader. | I have to disagree.
I believe most people wouldn't really mind if idioms & slang were used from time to time.
There aren't a lot of people who speak formal English anymore.
There are a lot of things more important than whether a piece of written (or spoken) language is 'correct.'
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19-11-2009, 06:54 PM
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#19 | | Jedi Chat Master
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Originally Posted by Gothika85 I have to disagree.
I believe most people wouldn't really mind if idioms & slang were used from time to time.
There aren't a lot of people who speak formal English anymore.
There are a lot of things more important than whether a piece of written (or spoken) language is 'correct.' | I have no problem with magazines and books using colloquialisms and the like. Those are things that are simply figures of speech and, indeed, they are not necessarily "wrong".
But some things are wrong, and "less pictures" is wrong! It's not about idioms; it's about ignorance of the English language. And this sort of thing is, incredibly, known better by foreigners speaking English than it is by our own native speakers, so poor is the grasp of English these days in this country.
Of course there are other things to worry about (although I don't think the demise of a language is a minor thing). But then we all kick up a lot of fuss about many things on here that are of little global importance.
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19-11-2009, 07:03 PM
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#20 | | Jedi Chat Master
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Originally Posted by David T-W I have no problem with magazines and books using colloquialisms and the like. Those are things that are simply figures of speech and, indeed, they are not necessarily "wrong".
But some things are wrong, and "less pictures" is wrong! It's not about idioms; it's about ignorance of the English language. And this sort of thing is, incredibly, known better by foreigners speaking English than it is by our own native speakers, so poor is the grasp of English these days in this country.
Of course there are other things to worry about (although I don't think the demise of a language is a minor thing). But then we all kick up a lot of fuss about many things on here that are of little global importance. | I'd hardly say its a 'demise' of language. Language is forever changing. We don't speak the same English now, as we did a hundred years ago. Sentences are grammatically altered & words are gained & lost all the time.
I admit, I hate certain parts of colloquial English. For example, I hate double negatives. I'm also not too fond of the glotteral stop. Sounds weird to me.
But, I never call people on it & it doesn't bother me enough to avoid it.
I'm sure my Idionisms (sp?) annoy plenty of people.
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